The Tom Woods Show, episode 481.

Prepare to set fire to the index card of allowable opinion.

Your daily dose of liberty education starts here, the Tom Woods Show.

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slash ebates. Hey everybody, Tom Woods here. We're going to talk about health care today, but in a

totally non-wankish way. This is not going to be about so-called public policy or any such

thing as that. I have with us Dr. Josh Umber, who is an example of what the free market can

really look like in medical care. He has nothing whatsoever to do with the government. He has

nothing whatsoever to do with insurance. He just deals with cash, direct payments. It's sometimes called direct medicine or direct primary care, and the cost savings he is able to bring about are absolutely staggering. You can check him out at atlas.md. What's interesting, by the way,

about Josh Umber, and his last name is spelled U-M-B-E-H-R, is that when we were chit-chatting before our

conversation today, I said to him, you know, that's kind of an unusual last name. I've known one

other person with that last name, and he just pronounced it Umbar.

And he said, oh, yeah, I pronounce it that way as well. All right. Well, the guy I know is Keen Umber, who ran for governor of Kansas on the libertarian ticket, and he came over to my house when Jordan Page came and did a concert at my house.

And Josh said, yeah, I was his running mate.

And then I remember Keen ran as a father-son team for governor and lieutenant governor.

So Josh had been his lieutenant governor candidate, and I hadn't put two and two together.

So anyway, so Josh Umber is a even greater guy than I thought. I will point out to you,

we had a minor audio glitch, a little bit of the ways in. We've edited it out so you don't have to be exposed to it, but we had to switch to putting Josh on a landline instead of Skype just because

of some technical problems we were having. So in case you notice that the sound quality changes a bit, it's not, you know, you can understand them perfectly well.

I wouldn't run it if that weren't the case.

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