I think in certain respects the PILA is also looking at AI to compensate for what they see as some of their vulnerabilities,

including a relative lack of warfighting experience compared to the U.S.

There may also be ways in which these same technologies are used in attempts to undermine US capabilities or in fairly asymmetric ways.

For instance, the potentially use of swarms against high-value U.S. weapons platforms such as fighter jets or aircraft carriers.

Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Modern War Institute podcast.

I'm John Amble, editorial director at MWI, and in this episode, you'll hear a conversation

I had with Elsa Cania. Elsa is an adjunct fellow with the Technology and National Security

Program at the Center for New American Security, and she has done absolutely phenomenal work

on China and Chinese information warfare, innovation, defense technology.

Really, if you're even remotely interested in China, I can't encourage you strongly enough to follow her work.

She spoke recently at a conference in Silicon Valley hosted by the Mad Scientist Initiative.

It's a program within the U.S. Army's Training and Doctrine Command that seeks to bring

in outside voices, including people like Elsa, to really delve into complex issues related

to the future of warfare.

We've recorded this episode at that conference, so I want to thank the Mad Scientist team

for helping to connect us, and I'd also encourage you to check out some of the really

interesting work they're doing. One quick note before we get to the conversation. As always,

what you hear in this episode are the views of the participants and don't represent those of

West Point, the army, or any other agency of the U.S. government. All right, here is my really

fascinating conversation with Elsa Cania on China, the People's Liberation Army, and technological innovation.

Elsa, Kenya, thank you so much for taking some time and sitting down and talking about what is really a fascinating topic.

Thank you. It's great to be on

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