Hello and

welcome to Happier, a podcast where we talk about ideas, resources, research, and

strategies about how to make our lives happier.

This week we'll talk about why it's helpful to have challenging conversations while walking,

and Elizabeth and I will report about what we learn from our no spend February. I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness, habits, the five senses, human nature.

I'm in my little home office here in New York City and joining me today from LA is my sister

Elizabeth Craft and it'll be as we have had many conversations challenging and not so challenging

while walking.

That's me Elizabeth Craft, a TV writer and producer living in LA and

Yap Gretsch that's probably my favorite time to talk is while walking.

Before we lunch in we have a few updates from listeners. Yes, this comes from Abigail. She said,

I'm listening to episode 470 and you're suggesting trying some new food music,

etc, by the age of 25. Well, I'm more than 20 years older than that cutoff age,

and so I thought of this as try it by 25,

as in try it before 2025 next year.

If you're an obliger like me and need outer accountability,

maybe this is something you could team up with a friend to do.

My plan is to find a smoke-free billiards hall

here where we live in Japan and take my husband.

I've never played before and I'm imagining it as a perfect ratio of Zen and competition.

It's also on my 24 for 24 list already.

I love that instead of try it by 25.

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