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People typically look at the Native Americans who were relocated out to present day Oklahoma, and they say, okay, federal government is the oppressor.

The five civilized tribes are the oppressed.

And then we'll also look and say, okay, slave owner is oppressor.

Slave is the oppressed.

Well, what do you do when you have an oppressed people who are

oppressing people? You know, what category do they fall into? And I don't know if they fall

into any category except for complex human being. One of the most interesting components of the

Civil War for me is trying to understand why individual people and different groups of people fought.

We're about to explore the reasons why and learn about some unique groups.

And it's going to get personal quick as I learned some stuff about my family, the Newcombs, that I didn't know. And we're going to

spend the second half of the podcast diving into an unlikely group. We're going to try to

understand why the Native Americans fought. They're hardly mentioned in the recounting of the war,

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