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Bear Grease

Ep. 462: Civil War - Part 2: Abraham Lincoln and Robert E. Lee

Bear Grease

MeatEater

Sports, Wilderness

4.97.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

In Part 2 of Bear Grease's Civil War series, host Clay Newcomb examines the rise of Abraham Lincoln, the secession of the Southern states, and the complicated legacy of Robert E. Lee. Alongside historian J.D. Hewitt of The History Underground, Clay explores the ideas, personalities, and decisions that pushed the nation toward its bloodiest conflict, and discovers that history's heroes and villains are often far more complicated than we remember.

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0:41.0

If you take the number of people who were killed in the Civil War as a proportion of the entire

0:48.6

population and then apply that to our population today, you're looking at about 7.6 million people dead at the end of the war.

0:59.5

This is part two of our series on the Civil War, and it's about Abraham Lincoln,

1:05.0

the secession of the states and the Confederate General Robert E. Lee.

1:09.6

I learned that both of these guys aren't exactly who I

1:13.2

thought they were. William Faulkner once famously said, the past is never dead. It's not even

1:20.6

past. And in the last episode, we established that this war was unique in American history,

1:27.2

continuing to play a role in society

1:29.6

unlike any before or since. We learned the prosperity of the South, fueled by the most valuable

1:36.8

commodity on Earth at the time. Cotton was the engine behind this division between the industrial

1:43.0

north and the agricultural south.

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