They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

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Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

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This one's an absolute treat for you.

And we've been doing a lot of podcasts recently.

Oh, firstly, welcome to the show.

But we've been doing quite a lot of episodes that have been slightly outside our usual remit. Oh, firstly, welcome to the show. But we've been doing quite a lot of

episodes that have been slightly outside our usual remit. And I've been waiting to speak to Tristan

for about half a year now because I read an article about him and I was super excited, but he's so

busy. And I was like, I don't care when it is. Let's just pick it in. But the, I was reading

an article about how he navigates using nature and how he can,

not just the sun, but actually look around at plants and be able to tell so much about

the world.

And I thought it was such an insight into aspects of nature that I've never taken on board when I'm running round.

So I wanted to bring him on to the show to give you a snapshot of why I think it's so exciting.

He's written so many massive books, but he's got the kind of walkers guide to outdoor clues and

signs, how to read water, the secret world of

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