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Perpetual Chess Podcast

EP 459- GM Maurice Ashley on Pursuing Excellence, Seeking Novelties, and His Extraordinary Chess Journey

Perpetual Chess Podcast

Perpetual Chess LLC

Leisure, Sports, Hobbies

4.8706 Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

This week’s guest is U.S. Chess Hall of Famer GM Maurice Ashley. Maurice will forever be known as the first African American to earn the Grandmaster title, yet he has gone on to build a varied and distinguished career across all facets of the game. He is a popular author and highly regarded Chessable creator, a teacher, an organizer, and a frequent commentator for major chess events, often from the St. Louis Chess Club. Maurice and I discussed: His perspective on chess improvement, as a rare late-starter who began tournament play at fourteen and still reached the Grandmaster level What we can learn from the ascent of GM Brewington Hardaway, who recently became the second African American GM at age fifteen The difference between being competitive and striving for excellence We also touched on the lessons Maurice learned from organizing the “Millionaire Chess” tournaments, his passion for salsa dancing and puzzle composition, and whether he has experienced any “pinch me” moments on his journey from “walking barefoot to school in Jamaica” to giving TED Talks and teaching chess to Will Smith. I have long looked forward to interviewing Maurice, and the conversation did not disappoint. 0:00- Check out Maurice’s popular and highly reviewed courses here: https://www.chessable.com/author/GMAshley/ 0:03- Maurice’s chess improvement advice- why people shouldn’t focus on doing things “quickly.”  Mentioned: New York Times article about the Raging Rooks https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/26/nyregion/harlem-teen-agers-checkmate-a-stereotype.html Maurice’s Chessable Q & A- https://www.chessable.com/discussion/thread/1187730/ask-maurice-ashley-anything-special-qa-/ Cover Stories with Chess Life Interview: https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-sskej-f237dc?download=1 10:30- Maurice’s observations about young GM Brewington Hardaway, who recently became the 2nd ever African American GM, at age 15.  Mentioned: You can read Maurice’s article about GM Hardaway here: https://new.uschess.org/news/inside-story-long-time-coming 17:00- Patreon mailbag question: Maurice’s siblings are kickboxing and boxing champions. What did they do to cultivate such achievement?  20:00- Which chess player got GM Maurice Ashley into salsa dancing?  23:00- Patreon mailbag question: ‘What are Maurice’s reflections on the Millionare Chess tournaments that he founded?”  28:30- What is the vision for Maurice’s “Clutch Chess,”  which took place recently  at the St. Louis Chess Club?  32:00- Is commentating still Maurice’s favorite professional activity? 36:00- Maurice’s passion for designing chess puzzles and courses  Mentioned: The puzzle that (temporarily) stumped MVL is here: https://x.com/MauriceAshley/status/1609261621247086592?s=20 42:00- Has Maurice ever had a “pinch me” moment?  45:00- Maurice’s struggles after earning the GM title 49:00- The origins of Maurice’s communication skills  52:00- What does Maurice want his chess legacy to be?  54:00- Maurice’s next projects 59:00- Thanks to Maurice for joining me! Here is how to keep up with his many activities: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mauriceashleychess/?hl=en Chessable: https://www.chessable.com/author/GMAshley/ X/Twitter:  https://x.com/MauriceAshley?lang=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:01.0

Hello everyone and welcome back to Perpetual Chess. We have an extra special guest this week.

1:09.0

I am so excited to finally get him on the pod. First of all, I wanted to thank the St. Louis Chess Club for all that they do, and, of course, for helping to arrange this interview. Much appreciated. And wanted to thank our sponsor, chescible.com. Our guest has a lot of amazing courses, as we will be digging into. So be sure to check those out. And he really needs no introduction. He is a chess player, a coach,

1:28.8

an author, like I mentioned, highly reviewed chessball author, commentator, organizer, educator,

1:33.4

U.S. Chess Hall of Famer, who was the first African American grandmaster in history.

1:37.8

Something that doesn't get mentioned quite as much is he's also quite an accomplished

1:41.5

improver. He started chess relatively late at the age of 14 and made the grandmaster title at the age of 33. And it is my great honor to welcome to the program, Grandmaster Maurice Ashley. Welcome, Maurice. Thank you so much, Ben. It's a bit a minute, man. I've known you since you were a little kid. So it's kind of funny seeing you now as a grown man doing big things.

2:01.8

Where does the time go?

2:02.9

Yeah, so we won't bore listeners with the reminisces, but just for some context,

2:07.2

Maurice famously coached this Scholastic Champion team called the Raging Rooks in Harlem,

2:12.9

circa 1993.

2:15.0

And my team mastermen in Philly tied with them.

2:36.0

So we actually got to go on a trip to New Mexico together. And so we've known each other since back then. Maurice was already destined for greatness. And I managed to stay out of trouble for the most part. But anyway. Well, it's actually 1991 that we co-won the title. Very big year for us. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, 1991. Amazing. And Maurice, we've got so much to dig into, but I wanted to start with chess improvement.

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