You are listening to the Reality Steve podcast with your host, Reality Steve.

He's got all the latest info and behind the scenes juice on Bachelor in Paradise

and interviewing some of your favorite reality stars.

Now here's Reality Steve.

What's that, everybody, welcome to podcast number 451, and the host, reality, and Steve.

Thank you all for tuning in on this Thursday.

Another great conversation.

A good friend and co-host of the A Little Help for Our Friends podcast, Jacqueline Trumbull.

We're going to talk Bachelor in Paradise.

We are also going to talk a little Love Island because she's been watching

and even end the episode talking a little lost, yes, the show from the early 2000s.

We will get to all that momentarily.

So we're having Jacqueline on to talk Little Bachelor in Paradise in the conversation coming up in a little

bit. Jacqueline's always a great talk. She was on Bachelor in Paradise season five. Granted,

she was only there for 24 hours, but she still watched a Monday's episode, has some thoughts,

isn't nearly as bothered by the new look as a lot of people seem to be,

which, look, it's a matter of preference.

Nobody's right.

Nobody's wrong.

It's what people prefer.

I'm just having... I just don't understand why a show looking crisper and cleaner would upset people.

Because people, and look, I understand some people are talking about the villa itself.

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