Ina Ria tort is a traditional culture anthropologist, a linguist, a regenerative farmer, and a contemplative meditator.

She lives in a village in Southeast Asia.

So that's her short bio, and I think, despite how short and eloquent that bio is, it does not do justice to the depth of in this conversation that you're about to listen to.

This was one of my favorite conversations I've had in quite some time, and that's saying a lot.

And I know I've said that before, but I genuinely mean it.

I got off of this podcast, and it didn't even feel like a podcast.

It felt like a conversation with an old friend.

And I think that that's how you'll feel when you listen to it. And the primary reason that we had this conversation is,

I got to give a shout out to a guy who's kind of behind the scenes with the way forward,

Jack Thompson, who's just fed me some

incredible guests, and he's an amazing dude. So shout out to Jack for that, and he's the one who

put me on to end his work. And then during the middle of my water fast, I was at my friend

Nathaniel's house, and he started going on and on about this new book that he was reading,

and it was Craveda, the God Tricks Against the Matrix.

And I picked it up and I saw the name in a retort.

And I said, hey, well, I'm interviewing here in a couple weeks.

Do you want to join me?

So my friend Nathaniel joined in as a co-host for this episode.

And it was just a beautiful, brilliant conversation. I'm really excited for you guys

to listen to it. So, Craveda essentially means deceit, but it's much deeper than just the word

deceit. It's actually something to the effect of truth made crooked. And over the course of this

interview and of course in Anna's book,

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