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Ep. 45 - Edenic Perfection, All That Is In God, Hamartano

Plodcast

Canon Press

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2018

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to the Plodcast! Listen in to hear Pastor Doug talk about Edenic perfection. Then he plugs James Dolezal’s book, All That is in God. Finishing things off with a look at the Greek word “hamartano”. Happy Plodding! Show Notes: Edenic Perfection: What do we mean when we think about the garden of Eden being a perfect place What did a perfect garden look like and not look like? Entropy existed prior to the fall But the entropy and death of man was introduced by sin All that is in God: Written by James Dolezal This is a defense of the doctrine of divine simplicity God is not a composite being, God is a simple being Anything that is in God, is God We don’t believe that God is Zeus standing on a balcony looking down on us Hamartano: Found in Luke, rendered as sin and trespass Luke 15:18, the prodigal son confesses to his father that he has sinned Luke 15:21, Jesus says that if a brother trespasses against us we should forgive him upon repentance, even if he does it 7 times in one day Hamartia is found 7 times in Luke (Luke 1:77, 3:3, 5:20/21/23/24, 7:47/48/49, 11:4, 24:27)

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0:00.0

Yes, God, God. God don't never change.

0:17.0

Welcome to Plodcast,

0:19.1

episode 45. Good to have you with us. Thank you for coming. I want to kick off this episode by talking a little bit about Edenic perfection. What do we mean when we think of the Garden of Eden prior to the fall as being a perfect place?

0:38.0

Now this is important because it ties in with issues of theistic evolution and what not downstream.

0:49.0

We won't get to those at least in any detail today.

0:54.0

But what I'd like to talk about is what did a perfect garden look like?

1:00.0

Or more to the point, I want to talk about certain things that did not look like.

1:05.0

So when, let's imagine Adam walking in the Garden of Eden

1:10.0

prior to any sin. no one has sin.

1:15.0

Is, are there any leaves on the ground?

1:20.0

Is there any dirt? Are there any twigs lying about? Or does this perfect garden have to be made out of stainless steel?

1:37.0

Does it have to be all, you know, or made out of molded plastic where nothing ever deteriorates or rots or falls down or

1:47.4

Well, we don't have a lot to go on but we do have some

1:55.6

Indications so for example prior to the fall Adam is told that he can eat from any fruit in the garden with the one exception so he can eat any fruit from any tree.

2:07.0

Now if he eats the fruit from any tree what's going to happen is he's going to chew that fruit up in his mouth and he's going to swallow it.

2:16.0

And his stomach, his unfallen stomach, is going to have enzymes,

2:20.0

and that fruit is going to be broken down.

2:25.0

Now the reason, what I'm driving at here is what this means is that

2:32.0

entropy exists. What this means is that entropy existed prior to the fall.

2:37.8

The fall does not bring entropy into existence. Now in Romans 8 we're told that the fall brought in bondage to decay

2:49.5

so I would I would compare entropy to a river, a beautiful river flowing down through its river bed.

3:00.1

And out of control entropy in the sense that described in Romans 1

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