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I'm going to ask a question. It's a real question. What I mean by that is it's not something

that's meant to be smarmy or that I'm just asking rhetorically to prove a point. It's

not a bad faith question. I really want to hear the answer because I want to have this

conversation. I don't know the answer myself. When I say I'm asking a question, I mean

that in the most direct and literal sense of the phrase. It's a question. I pose this

primarily to those who are on the, this is all a massive overreaction side of the debate.

It's this. How many deaths would be enough? What, what death toll would you need to see

before you would agree that drastic economy damaging possibly economy ruining measures should

be taken? And whatever that number is, if you have a number or, and if you like, I don't

think you would have an exact precise number of mine. But whatever that ballpark estimate

is, why, why that and not something else? Why do you draw the line there and not somewhere

else? So again, this is a sincere question. I really want to hear the answer. And actually

the question is more complicated than that because if you say that you would need the virus

to kill say a million Americans in order to justify this kind of response. If your position

is, look, I mean, this response is going to, might, might send us into a great depression.

This is something that we've never, this country has never done before anything like this

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