Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Today I am talking to Billy Hollowell. He wrote a book

called Plain with Fire and it's about supernatural activity, demonic possession, Satanic powers,

things that we don't necessarily talk about explicitly that much on this podcast are

really in Christian culture at all, but he is uncovered why he thinks it's so important,

especially in this present moment, for Christians to understand that this is going on to see how

this is going on and then for us with the power of Christ to push back against this.

First we're actually going to talk about a little political subject, but it'll tie

all together because he did not vote for Trump in 2020 and so we're going to talk a little

bit about our differences and our agreements there. So it's a really good conversation that

I'm looking forward to hearing. Here is Billy Hollowell.

Billy, thank you so much for joining me. I think a lot of people who are listening or

watching are already familiar with you and your work, but just in case can you tell everyone

who you are and what you do? Sure, yeah. So I am a journalist, I'm a commentator. I actually

worked at the blaze. I was the faith editor at the blaze for about five years and some

of huge blaze fan and I've been working for really the last 15 years, more than 15

years now in media. And so politics and faith and in the last really five to seven years,

my focus has been culture and faith and just diving deep into the patterns of what we see

happening, why it's happening and sort of helping people navigate that.

And you wrote a book called Plane with Fire and about supernatural activity and monoch activity

and I want to get into all of that and I'm super excited. That's going to be the bulk

of our, bulk of our episode. But something that you and I have talked about on Twitter

before that we talked about a long time ago discussing on this podcast is your support

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