Ep. 424: Crying At Work & Transition Rituals

Happier in Hollywood

The Onward Project

Careers, Education, Business, Self-improvement

4.8 • 2.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Liz and Sarah discuss whether or not it’s okay to cry at work. Does Gen Z feel crying is more acceptable? And what does it have to do with sexism? In their new segment, Career Lessons With Laverne, they talk to Career Coach Laverne McKinnon about the importance of career transition rituals. Laverne reveals why she turned one of her expensive suits into a puppet. This week’s Hollywood Hack will make your summer more fun— get a sea scooter for the pool. Finally, Liz recommends Stick, starring Owen Wilson, on Apple TV+.

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Happier In Hollywood on Substack:

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Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott:

https://amzn.to/3FJwgWc

On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft by Stephen King:

https://amzn.to/441n1sC

Laverne McKinnon:

https://www.lavernemckinnon.com/

Nautica Navigator:

https://amzn.to/4466146

Stick trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72oB_zVF_6o

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0:00.0	Lemonada.
0:05.7	Sarah, question for this week's hive 25, are we just going to continue down the list of things to do we started last time or do we want a new list?
0:15.7	Oh, we had so many things left on the old list. I feel like we have to go back to it. Okay, back to the list.
0:28.4	Hi, and welcome to happier in Hollywood, the podcast about how to be happier, healthier,
0:33.3	saner, more creative, more successful, and more productive in a backbiting, superficial, chaotic,
0:39.2	unpredictable, fundamentally insane world. I'm Sarah Fane, a TV writer and producer living in
0:45.5	Ohio right outside of L.A. And with me is my high school friend and writing partner Liz.
0:50.3	That's me, Liz Kraft. On this podcast, we talk about being writers in Hollywood, how we balance
0:55.7	a career and friendship and how to survive the War of Attrition that is life in Los Angeles.
1:01.3	Today, we're going to discuss when it's maybe okay to cry at work. I'm still not convinced,
1:06.9	but I'm working on it. Then we'll talk about the importance of rituals with career coach Laverne McKinnon in our new
1:13.4	segment Career Lessons with Laverne.
1:15.9	We also have a fun summertime Hollywood hack.
1:19.7	And finally, Liz has a TV show recommendation.
1:23.0	Yes, but first, Sarah, we want to remind everybody about the slow read we're doing with our Happier
1:28.8	in Hollywood substack. We are reading Bird by Bird by Ann Lamott, one of our all-time
1:35.5	favorite books on writing. Everyone we know considers it a must read for any creative type.
1:43.4	So if you want to join us, we're just starting. So you absolutely
1:47.7	can still join. Go to happier in Hollywood.com. Scroll down. Put in your email and you can join
1:55.8	our substack. And then if you want to upgrade, you can join the slow read.
2:01.5	All right, Liz, it's time for from the treadmill desks of where we talk about what's most
2:05.3	pressing in our work psyches. And this week, it's when is it okay to cry at work?
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