Ep 414: The Refillable Wine Bottle Revolution to Combat Climate Change with Caren McNamara of Conscious Container
Wine for Normal People
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4.6 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 15 February 2022
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
Caren McNamara founded Conscious Container in 2017 to bring the refillable glass bottle marketplace to the wine industry (pre-WWII, we re-used most packaging. Other countries kept doing it, but in the US that stopped). The goal: reduce single use packaging waste and turn glass bottles into multi-use vessels by setting up an infrastructure for collection, cleaning, inspection, and re-use.
Caren was a project and change management manager for a major tech company but she left that behind when she saw a hole in the marketplace for refillable and reusable glass, and the opportunity to make a big impact on the beverage industry.
In the show we talk about we talk about how we wound up throwing away assets like glass, rather than re-using them, and how things like lightweight packages (reduce) and recycling are less effective than the third “r” – reuse - which is usually the most efficient of the three.
Caren discusses the opportunities for Conscious Container to do good, what it will take for her operation to become full-scale, and offers ideas of things we can do to help Conscious Container’s mission, like asking at tasting rooms about refillable bottle programs, requesting that wine clubs look into using refillable bottles, and keeping up to date on new developments which would allow us to participate in the re-use economy.

Shout out to April Nalle of Nalle Winery for being an innovator, using this program and for introducing me to Caren and all the cool stuff she's doing!
Here are some links to things Caren mentions in the show:
- CC Refill-My-Wine website - this link goes directly to the Support Us! page for wineries to work with Conscious Container
- ReLoop 'Reusables vs Single-Use Packaging. A combination of 32 Life Cycle Assessments on the topic with a clear "win" for refillable glass bottles, Caren used these numbers in the podcast
- “The Message in a Reusable Wine Bottle: Combat Climate Change” a New York Times article about refillable bottles and the Gotham Project.
- Diana Snowden Seysses - who is working on bottle reuse with the Porto Protocol, and who is winemaker at Domaine Dujas- Snowden Winery and Ashes & Diamonds Winery
Go to Conscious Container to learn more.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Wine for Normal People, the podcast for people who like wine, but not the snobbery |
| 0:12.6 | that goes with it. |
| 0:16.0 | I'm your host, Elizabeth Schneider, author of the Wine for Normal People book, and certified |
| 0:20.0 | wine dork. |
| 0:21.0 | And I'm MC Ice, just a wine-loving normal person. |
| 0:24.2 | Quick programming note, first of all this podcast is sponsored by Wine Spies if you want |
| 0:29.3 | awesome deals on fantastic wines go to Wine Spies, S-P-I-E-S dot com forward slash normal |
| 0:35.6 | can sign up to get one deal a day on fantastic wines you can't get anywhere else at the best |
| 0:40.6 | prices. |
| 0:41.6 | Also, Karen McNamara, we didn't give her website. |
| 0:45.0 | So although it's pretty obvious, it is conscious container dot com, C-O-N-S-C-I-O-U-S container dot |
| 0:53.5 | com. |
| 0:54.5 | That's how you'll find out more information about her, and now let's get to the show. |
| 0:58.0 | Karen McNamara found a conscious container in 2017 to bring the refillable glass bottle |
| 1:03.8 | marketplace to the beverage industry. |
| 1:07.4 | Karen was a project and change management consultant for a major tech company. |
| 1:11.7 | She saw a full in the marketplace for refillable glass. |
| 1:15.6 | When we talk about this, we always talk about lightweight packaging, the reduced part of |
| 1:20.6 | this three hours. |
| 1:21.7 | We talk about recycling, which let's face it really doesn't happen in the U.S. |
| 1:25.8 | There's one R we never talk about, which is the reuse, and this is the most efficient |
| 1:30.0 | of the three that has always been left out. |
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