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The Stacks

Ep. 412 The Racial Caste System of America with Dorothy Roberts

The Stacks

Traci Thomas

Arts, Society & Culture, Books, Literature

4.9 • 1.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Today on The Stacks, we’re joined by author, sociologist, law professor, and social justice advocate Dorothy E. Roberts to discuss her newest book, The Mixed Marriage Project: A Memoir of Love, Race, and Family. In this powerful memoir, Dorothy recounts her experiences growing up in an interracial family in 1960s Chicago, exploring how her parents’ marriage—and their dedicated research on interracial relationships—shaped her understanding of her own identity. We talk about why she identifies as a Black woman with a white father, how her parents’ work has shaped her work in the family policing system, and the myth of mixed kids saving the world.

The Stacks Book Club pick for February is Indigo by Beverly Jenkins. We’ll be discussing the book with Jasmine Guillory on February 25th.

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You know, as I write about in the Mix Marys project, all these couples, with rare exception, lived in the black belt, the segregated black neighborhoods, the corridor in Chicago where black people were forced to live.

0:18.3

You know, if a white person married a black person, they had to move into the

0:21.9

black belt. And I was fascinated by this 21-year-old who went into the black belt, not just to

0:30.5

walk around, but to go up to people's homes and knock on the door and ask if he could interview

0:36.6

them and the success he had at a time

0:40.7

when their marriages were taboo where many of them had to hide their marriages to keep their

0:45.7

jobs.

0:51.5

Welcome to the Stacks, a podcast about books and the people who read them.

0:54.9

I'm your host, Tracy Thomas, and today I am joined by sociologist, law professor, and award-winning

0:59.4

author Dorothy Roberts.

1:01.3

She is here to discuss her brand new book, The Mixed Marriage Project, a memoir of love,

1:06.0

race, and family.

1:07.4

In this powerful memoir, Dorothy recounts her experiences growing up in an interracial

1:11.1

family in 1960 Chicago and explores the ways her parents' marriage and their dedicated research

1:16.5

on interracial relationships helped to shape her understanding of her own identity. Today, Dorothy

1:21.9

and I talked about how discovering her parents' research helped change her relationship to them,

1:26.8

about the language of

1:28.0

interracial relationships, and the ways they have changed over time. Our book club pick for February

1:33.3

is Indigo by Beverly Jenkins. We will be discussing the book on Wednesday, February 25th,

1:38.9

with Jasmine Gillerie. Everything we talk about on each episode of the Stacks is linked in our show

1:43.0

notes. And if you like this

1:44.5

podcast, if you want more bookish content and community, consider joining the stacks pack on Patreon

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