EP: 384 Decoding the Star: How Pagan Astrologers Found the Jewish Messiah *members only trailer

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Science, Nature, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 25 December 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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The Magi weren't reading Daniel. They weren't studying the prophets. They were reading the sky.In our Members-Only Part 2 of our Christmas deep dive into the Star of Bethlehem, Caleb Jones returns to answer the question everyone's been asking: Why did the Magi know to come? What did they actually see in that chart that made them pack up and travel for months?Using ancient sources—Ptolemy, Manilius, Vettius Valens—Caleb reconstructs what an astrological reading of August 12, 3 BC would have looked like. The verdict? A heaven-blessed birth in Palestine. Incredible fortune. Warfare and a sword in his future. Someone who would overcome great danger through Jupiter and Venus.But this episode goes deeper than astronomy. Caleb traces how the Bible itself addresses astrology—not as fake, but as a rival way of knowing that God told Israel not to pursue because He would speak to them directly. When Israel rebelled and looked to the stars anyway, God wove their disobedience into His plan: He would use pagan astrologers to announce His Son and shame His people who should have known better.From Deuteronomy to Isaiah to Romans, the threads converge. The Magi weren't reading Daniel. They were reading the sky. And God met them there.The Christmas story is stranger than you thought. Not a member yet? Right now, we are running our biggest sale of the year with 20% OFF all memberships until the end of the year. Head over to https://blurrycreatures.com/pages/members to check it out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	There's a story in Kings about how Israel and Judah, I believe, are going to fight against Moat.
0:06.0	I can't remember which kingdom they're fighting against, but it says the king of the city went to the wall and he sacrificed his son.
0:16.0	And the wrath pushed back. He did a magic something. The ritual. That worked. Like,
0:23.5	it's not that he did it. That's so crazy. It's the fact that it worked. And it pushed back
0:29.9	against the Israelites and they weren't able to take the city. And that's something that you've got
0:35.5	to sit back and think, wait, the Bible says that happened.
0:39.6	What does that say about the larger world that you live in?
0:43.7	I mean, if you're going to believe the Bible, as I do, well, then that happened.
0:51.6	The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine.
0:57.0	The Smithsonian, that if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it.
1:04.0	I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it bust the paradigm,
1:10.0	it all goes back to the
1:11.7	fallen chair and the problem with the modern day church they have a very truncated view of
1:16.2	supernatural this backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this
1:21.8	Mount Hermon event and this guy defects from the kingdom.
1:31.0	That's a big deal.
1:38.0	Welcome back to Blurry Creatures, if it's more in the 80s, basement, and I have to read
1:41.9	something for you.
1:43.3	This just goes back to the 80s. I hear your name whispered on the wind. It's the sound that makes me cry. I hear a song blow again and again. Through my mind, I don't know why. I wish I didn't feel so strong about you like happiness and love revolve around you. Trying to catch your heart is like trying to catch a star. So many people love you, baby. That must be what you are. Waiting for a star to fall and carry your heart into my arms. That's where you belong. In my arms, baby, yeah. Boy meets girl, one of the best 80s songs. Waiting for a star to fall. We're going to continue. I didn't know if it was going it was at first tell us what
2:18.1	me it's probably a little uncomfortable you're like trying to catch your heart he's like what are we
2:21.9	doing what do we go with this how about this if a one tiny star were compelled to draw near and bring
2:27.4	all its power from heaven down here who on the earth do you think could prevail the strength of the
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