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Sarah's Bookshelves Live

Ep. 38: Garrett M. Graff (Author of The Only Plane in the Sky) + Book Recommendations

Sarah's Bookshelves Live

Sarah Dickinson

Arts, Books

4.7785 Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 38, Garrett M. Graff goes behind the scenes of his new book, The Only Plane in the Sky (one of my top books of 2019).

This post contains affiliate links, through which I make a small commission when you make a purchase (at no cost to you!).

Highlights

  • Where Garrett was on 9/11.
  • What he was trying to accomplish with his book.
  • The big challenge of understanding 9/11 as it moves "from memory into history."
  • The lack of communications and confusion of that day.
  • How Garrett compiled all these little snippets of memory into a compelling story arc.
  • How 9/11 was an inflection point in how Americans respond to a potential threat.
  • What Garrett thinks is the "most interesting moment of 9/11."
  • The general demeanor of people he interviewed in person as they reflected back on 9/11.
  • The one person he wanted to interview for the book that declined and why it ultimately ended up being a good thing for the book.
  • The original length of the book.
  • Why Garrett was able to talk about the U.S. government's emergency plans, bunkers, etc.
  • How The Only Plane in the Sky sort of came out of Garrett's previous book, Raven Rock.
  • Survivor's guilt surrounding 9/11 and reaction from the Clinton Administration.
  • Garrett's favorite fiction writer.
  • Garrett's favorite narrative nonfiction of 2019.

Garrett's Book Recommendations

Two OLD Books He Loves

Three NEW Books He Loves

One NEW RELEASE He's Excited About

Other Books Mentioned

Other Links

About Garrett

Author Website | Twitter | Instagram 

Garrett M. Graff, a distinguished magazine journalist, bestselling historian, and regular TV commentator has spent more than a dozen years covering politics, technology, and national security—helping to explain where we've been and where we're headed.

Today, he serves as the director of the Aspen Institute's cybersecurity and technology program, and is a contributor to WIRED, Longreads, and CNN. He's written for publications from Esquire to the New York Times, and served as the editor of two of Washington's most prestigious magazines, Washingtonian and POLITICO Magazine, which he helped lead to its first National Magazine Award, the industry's highest honor.

Graff is the author of multiple books, including The First Campaign: Globalization, the Web, and the Race for the White House, which examined the role of technology in the 2008 presidential race, and The Threat Matrix: Inside Robert Mueller's FBI, which traces the history of the FBI's counterterrorism efforts. His book, Raven Rock, a national bestseller, about the government's Cold War Doomsday plans, was published in May 2017, and his most recent book, co-authored with John Carlin, examined the rise of cyber threats, Dawn of the Code War: America's Battle Against Russia, China, and the Rising Global Cyber Threat.

Inside both journalism and politics, he has a long history as a new media pioneer. He was the founding editor of mediaBistro.com's FishbowlDC (www.FishbowlDC.com), a popular blog that covers the media and journalism in Washington, and co-founder of EchoDitto, Inc., a multi-million-dollar Washington, D.C.-based internet strategy consulting firm. During his time at FishbowlDC, he was the first blogger admitted to cover a White House press briefing in 2005, a moment considered significant enough that his reporter's notebook from that first briefing is on display at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. A Vermont native and graduate of Harvard, he served as deputy national press secretary on Howard Dean's presidential campaign and, beginning in 1997, was then-Governor Dean's first webmaster. 

He taught at Georgetown University for seven years, including courses on journalism and technology, and his writing and commentary has appeared in publications like the Washington PostThe Wall Street JournalNew YorkBloomberg BusinessWeekRolling Stone5280PoliticoAARP Magazine, Eater, Smithsonian Air & Space Magazine, USA TodayGQ UKNextCity, and he has appeared on CBS This MorningThe Today ShowGood Morning America, CBC, the BBC, Al Jazeera English, the History Channel, National Geographic, and various NPR programs, including "This American Life," "Fresh Air," and "All Things Considered." His reporting has been cited on shows ranging from Stephen Colbert to John Oliver to Rachel Maddow. 

He also is the chair of the board of the National Conference on Citizenship, a congressionally-charted civic engagement group founded by Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower, and serves on the board of Vermont Public Radio and the Burlington Housing Authority.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Sarah's Bookshelves Live. I'm Sarah of the blog Sarah's Bookshelves. Each week,

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I'm talking with one bookish guest about two old books they love, two new books they love,

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one book they don't love, and one new

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release they're excited about. We're going to get real and sometimes a bit snarky about all things

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books. If you like the show, I'd really love your support. Spread the word to your reader friends,

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subscribe to the show, rate and review it wherever you listen to podcasts, or get bonus podcast episodes

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by supporting the podcast on Patreon. There's a link in the show notes and in my Instagram bio to my

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Patreon page. Let's get rolling. Hey everyone, welcome to a full-length episode of Sayers Bookshelves Live.

1:15.6

I read a book recently that caused me to tear up at least seven times in a single day, but you'll understand why when I tell you which book it is. It is the only plane in the sky, an oral history of 9-11 by Garrett Graf. And I'm sure you've heard me talk about it on social media. It's the first comprehensive oral history of 9-11, and it will absolutely knock your socks off. Given all that,

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I'm thrilled to have Garrett on the podcast with me today. He is a distinguished magazine journalist,

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best-selling historian, regular TV commentator who has spent more than 12 years covering politics, technology, and national security.

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He serves as the director of the Aspen Institute's Cybersecurity and Technology Program and is a

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contributor to Wired, Long Reads, and CNN. He's written multiple books, including Raven Rock,

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a national bestseller about the government's Cold War Doomsday Plans. And y'all, this is a fraction

1:45.5

of Garrett's bio. If you want to read more about everything he's done, you are welcome to check out

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his website, which has more detail about his background. Welcome, Garrett. Thanks so much for having me.

1:55.8

Thank you for being here. Y'all, I want to let you know that today's episode's going to be a little bit different than normal. We are going to skip the rated game at the end. That's usually a very lighthearted way

2:05.0

to end the episode, but I feel like it's not quite fitting for what we're talking about today. And when

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I sat down to write questions for it, everything felt completely wrong. So we're just going to skip

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that section today. You've said that you wanted to capture how people experienced the day

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with your book and more so than the facts of the day. And I think you did that beautifully. You really

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captured the humanity and the motion of it. And I personally felt like I was reliving the emotions I felt

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