You are listening to the reality Steve podcast with your host reality Steve. He's got all the latest info and behind the scenes

juice on Joey's season of the Bachelor and interviewing some of your favorite

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Now, here's reality Steve. Hey everybody welcome

welcome podcast number 378 I'm your host reality Steve thank you all for

tuning in for this glorious podcast It is going to be with Dr.

Catherine Sanderson, second time guest on this show

who is a professor of psychology at Amherst College.

And I wanted to talk to her about the first five episodes of Joey's season.

However, Dr. Catherine is also a big fan has been following Dave Neel's videos for the last

eight months, listening to my podcast podcast and was a former guest on the

Laura Owens podcast back in 2019 and I believe either 2020 or 2021 she's been

on there twice so wanted to bring her on and talk about the

Clayton and Laura Owens case as well. We'll get to all that momentarily.

So yeah, great talk today with Dr. Catherine Sanderson. That'll be coming up in a little bit about the first 25 minutes or so talking about Joey season the women the drama the I don't know I don't call it over the top but the one-on-one dates where it seems like everybody's got a tragic backstory and her

psycho analysis of it and then we spend about the last 35 minutes of the hour interview

talking about the Clayton Eckard Laura Owens case and what's going on what can happen

what's wrong with Laura just her kind of as an armchair

quarterback psycho analyzing Laura from afar but also knowing and being very up to date on the court documents that she's read online,

that Dave has shared online, the emails that Laura has sent me that I have shared with a lot of you.

Dr. Catherine has a lot of good stuff here in talking about this,

what Laura's goals are in all this, why she thinks she's even doing this in the first place what her issue is all that stuff really good conversation with her

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