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And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN Audio, the Ax Files, with

your host David Axelrod.

I can think of no one in public life who enjoys a good policy fight more than Paul Krugman,

the Nobel Prize-winning economist and for the last 20 years New York Times op-ed columnist.

And if you don't believe me, you should pick up his new book, arguing with Zombies, Economics,

Politics and the fight for a better future in which he recounts past columns on an array

of issues, including healthcare, the excesses of Wall Street tax reform, social security,

climate, and the abuse of facts in our contemporary politics.

I sat down with Krugman last week on his visit to the Institute of Politics at the University

of Chicago to talk about all that and very current issues, including the economic impact of

the coronavirus.

Here's that conversation.

Paul Krugman, it's great to be with you.

Great to have you here at the Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago.

I was saying to you before we started that people know what you think because they get

to read about it all the time.

And you've written 20 noted books, including your latest collection of columns arguing

with Zombies, which we'll talk about.

But they don't know that much about you.

So I want to start there and move into the other stuff.

Your family, originally from Belarus.

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