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I'd say that Black Americans have the most expertise in this country when it comes to

white American culture.

Oh, for sure.

And so to have your expertise about your own culture and also the sort of dominant white

American culture as a writer, as a musician, as a, as a visual artist,

so and so forth, it gives you this disability that no one else has. It's not just that Tony Morrison

is phenomenal, it's that she's also, her work is in conversation, whereas there might be a

white author who's a really strong writer,

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