They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Come back.

So, do badders, we've talked about our next couple many times, under many guises, partly through what they've done, but also partly through our friendship with them.

So you know them already from Light the Wind, and inspired by that, they've recently brought out a book

which not only was Dean Carnacist, but also Holly Rush were basically hosting the launch,

which was pretty cool. I went along to last week. So welcome to the podcast, which was pretty cool.

I went along to you last week.

So welcome to the podcast, the lovely Gillian Simon Freeman.

Woo!

Hi, David.

How you doing, guys?

Great.

Yeah, pretty, pretty good.

We're very excited.

The book has just come out, and there's still a bit of, you know, pinch me moments where we think,

wow, there's an actual book.

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