And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN Audio, the Ax Files with

your host, David Axelrod.

Gary Cohn became a man in the news when President Trump chose him to lead the National Economic

Council during the first year and a half of the President's administration.

Cohn was the architect of the Trump tax cuts, but he also clashed with Trump on everything

from trade and immigration to Charlottesville, finally resigning in 2018.

I sat down with Cohn last week at the Institute of Politics to talk about his experience in

the Trump administration, his role as a leader of Goldman Sachs during the mortgage crisis

and his own surprising life story.

Gary Cohn, great to see you.

Thank you for being at the Institute of Politics and great to sit down with you.

You have a remarkable personal story.

I know everybody's interested in your recent story and we'll get to that, but I really

am interested in your personal journey, which is an inspiring one.

Tell me a little bit about your family.

Your grandfather was an immigrant from Poland.

When did he come over here?

My grandfather came over as a 13-year-old, escaping Europe as a typical Jewish immigrant trying

to get out of Europe.

Was this early 20th century?

Yes, early 20th century.

The story goes something like this, 13-year-old, $8 in this pocket put on a boat to escape

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