They're bad, they're boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Our next guest is someone who is recommended to us by Robbie Britton.

During the course of the conversation with him, he was talking about Shona's work to do his sleep

and how she's actually at the forefront

of understanding how sleep affects performance

and what we can do to try and benefit from the power of sleep

and also how to avoid just conking when you're not getting it.

So we then emailed Shana.

She's been kind enough to come on.

So welcome on the podcast.

Shana Haltson.

Yay.

Thank you.

Thanks for the invite.

Thanks for getting up early for me, so appreciate it.

So do, Baz, if your donor has basically interviewing with two old men who look like they've not slept in weeks.

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