And David asked God two questions. He says, Will Saul come down and surround the city? Will he come down to get me? God says, yep, you bet you.

Second question is, Will the men of Kyla who I just saved from the Philistines, you would think they owe me a favor. Will the men of Kyla hand me over to Saul? God says, yeah, they'll do that. They're going to do that. They sure will.

Because what's the alternative? Saul's men surround the city and you starve them out. Cut off the water supplies. It's classic siege warfare. This is how it's done. So what does David do? He does what you and I would do. See, okay? I'm not.

But what it teaches us is that God for new two things that never have. For new two things that never have. For new two things that never have.

Luke, when I was listening to podcasts, I thought to myself, if I ever start a podcast in the paranormal space, one of the dudes I want to get on my show is Dr. Michael Heizer. I thought about this long before blurry creatures ever.

This is your, this is your Super Bowl. This is your master's tournament. This is your World Cup. This happens when you're in a band, right? You start your band in the garage and one day you're thinking, I want to play a lot of blues of one day. And then you're there and you're playing and you're like, holy cow. My dream happened.

So you got to set goals for yourself and think big like Luke, who's your, who's the guy you want to get on the show? Whole Cogan. We're going to get them on the show. We need to get them. And there's, it's only a matter of time.

It's only a matter of time. We won't have enough time to say as many brothers as we want. Like, look at the show brother. Good to have you brother.

I love it. I love that it's just talking about the 80s and we're talking about, you know, creatures. I mean, not that Hulk Hogan's a creature, but the 80s, dude. I was just, that was a whole command yet.

You were, did you have the little rubber Hulk Hulk? Oh, yeah. I made him wrestle with a ring. Yeah. I didn't have the ring. We were, we were poor kids. So I had like a couple of those and I go to my friends house and we put them on the ring and make them battle.

But this again, this is, this is your super bowl. So Dr. Michael Heiser. Dr. Michael Heiser. Yes. I listen to a lot of his stuff and some people are like, okay, this is going to get too theological. But let us stand that like Heiser has a lot of paranormal channels that he's been, either he's been a part of, goes to UFO conferences.

He's not your typical dude who teaches the Bible, right? Like he's not your typical academic, but he is an academic PhD smart guy. He's written a lot of books about angels, demons wrote his biggest books called the unseen realm. He talks about all this stuff we talk about on our show, but he's down to earth, approachable. This one's going to be great.

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Welcome to the show. Dr. Michael Heiser. Dr. Heiser, you have a great resume. You have an MA in ancient history from the University of Pennsylvania.

You hosted a podcast called Pure Normal, which is kind of like science meets paranormal. And you retired that show, but you also, but you have a new show called Fringe Pop, which tackles topics that we talk about on our show.

And you also have the naked Bible podcast where you try to teach people this, you know, plugging in these narratives that we talk about on our show into the Bible and making sense of it at the awakening school of theology.

It's great to have you on the show today. Thank you so much for coming on. We wanted to bring you on the show because obviously I think you've you've helped many of people like myself kind of reread the Bible for the first time. I had been listening to I got really into big foot podcasts.

Yeah, and start listening to these stories. And then once I started listening, I don't know how, but you your episodes kind of kept coming into the things that I was listening to and you help me kind of connect the dots like my mind was open to the idea of big foot.

Like there's this, you know, unexplained creature in the woods is a lot of things I don't know. And then when the giants and some of the stuff you talk about kind of came into the story was like I grew up in the church. I heard a lot of this stuff. Half the Bible stories didn't make any sense to me. And I kind of kept it to myself, you know.

Well, you know, the ones that I could remember and you know, just growing up, you never have those answers. So I just, I just want to say thanks because you help connect the dots and you say that a lot on episodes like you never had an original thought you just connect the dots.

And I heard you say that a lot.

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