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All right, so I've been saying for a few shows,

I think, that we had someone coming on the podcast

that was in really heavy demand, and I didn't want to I didn't

want to spill the beans or anything because you never know if something will you know

fall through but what I could say is that when I was at Shock Show there were a lot of people came up to me that were saying you got to get Pat McNamara on the podcast and even like T.O or managing editor was like you got to get Pat McNamara on,

and we're bringing it.

Yeah, everyone wanted to have Pat on, so.

We're happy that we convinced him to take

45 minutes out of his day to talk to us today, so.

Watching his stuff on YouTube prior,

just like getting set for this interview,

would you say he's possibly like the best firearms instructor

out there for what he's doing?

I mean, you have to define best and what kind of

firearms instruction but I think for real world applications I think Pat is

definitely amongst the best out there he's like one of those people who I

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