One is, you know, Andy Crouch kind of uses this phrase of put the technology on the fringes, not the center of your life.

What's up, guys? Welcome to Five Minute of Fatherhood. So we get a question, questions oftentimes about technology. We got this one from our homeroom group. It's from Jessica. She says, hey, guys, can you direct me to any info you guys have about the use of

technology and the family? I've read the Bethke's Tech Manifesto, and that's super helpful. In fact, a lot of what, that's a lot of what we've been doing. But now that our kids are older, 12, 10, 8, 4, we are seeing that we need to adjust some of how we've been doing tech, like the kids using computers to research a school project.

We homeschool using an iPad to create stop motion videos,

Legos, adjust some of how we've been doing tech, like the kids using computers to research a school project.

We homeschool using an iPad to create stop motion videos, Legos, or type of creative story,

communicating with friends, and we're not there yet. But when and how to use social media,

not to mention with the shutdowns and social distancing, tech is a useful tool for staying in touch

with friends, family. How do you guide that?

Great question. Man, I'm really curious what your thoughts on this, Jeff. One thing that I would say

for us that has been really critical is that, I don't know if you guys remember back when Steve Jobs

first announced the new iPhone, he was, it was just the kind of glorious moment where he's

described the coming together of like these three technologies, you know, basically your audio

player, your phone and your internet all wrapped up into one. And basically what I think

this is all about is taking what Steve Jobs did by beautifully wrapping

those into one package and pulling them back apart and saying, okay, you know, you got to get,

like you can't think about these devices like all in one devices. You got to introduce your kids

to one element at a time in a way that will really bless them for the stage that they're at. So for us, like the youngest stages, all we want our kids to have access to is audiobooks. And so I love audiobooks. We're a huge audiobook family. So we got like MP3 players or we found ways to find old iPods or whatever iPhones. It just locked everything else down, deleted everything. Zero. This is just an MP3 player. That was actually really hard to pull off, believe it or not. And then it was like slowly introducing them to one extra thing at a time. Okay, so now you got that. Now we want you to do some creative stuff like you're describing. So we're going to put the camera on there. You can make videos. We'd love to see those videos. That's awesome.

Take pictures. But there's no social media on there. There's no internet access. There's no browsers.

And so what we did is just slowly, carefully, every single app that got downloaded was a

conversation. There was like there was opportunity to test to kind of pull back. So that's definitely, but the idea of

just all of a sudden handing your 10 year old or even your 15 year old, a complete phone with

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