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Metta Hour with Sharon Salzberg

Ep. 286 – Engaged Compassion: Parker J. Palmer & Jerry Colonna

Metta Hour with Sharon Salzberg

Be Here Now Network

Society & Culture, Sharonsalzberg, Metta, Salzberg, Meditation, Beherenownetwork, Buddhism, Religion & Spirituality, Beherenow, Compassion

4.6682 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The Buddha taught a path of awakened living, but how does that manifest in today’s world of constant connectivity and widespread suffering? 

How do we keep our hearts open without being defined or hardened by the pain that surrounds us, whether personal, collective, or historical? How do we navigate the paradox of holding both pain and joy, without mistaking suffering for punishment or personal failure? Can we infuse our compassion with wisdom and perspective to find the agency to take meaningful action in our communities?

In her new series, Engaged Compassion, Sharon delves into these questions and more, engaging in candid conversations with a diverse group of teachers, activists, and changemakers. For the fourth episode in the series, Sharon speaks with Parker J. Palmer and Jerry Colonna.  

Parker J. Palmer is a writer, speaker and activist who focuses on issues in education, community, leadership, spirituality and social change. He is founder and Senior Partner Emeritus of the Center for Courage & Renewal. Parker holds a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at Berkeley, as well as fourteen honorary doctorates, two Distinguished Achievement Awards from the National Educational Press Association, and an Award of Excellence from the Associated Church Press. Parker is the author of ten books—including several award-winning titles—that have sold nearly two million copies and been translated into ten languages, including “On the Brink of Everything,” “Healing the Heart of Democracy,” and “The Promise of Paradox.”

Jerry Colonna is a renowned coach, writer, and speaker who specializes in leadership, business, and the practice of radical self-inquiry. He is the Co-founder and CEO of Reboot.io, a company inspired by the belief that work need not destroy us. He is also the author of two books: "Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up" (2019) and "Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong" (2023). For more than two decades, Jerry has championed the idea that work should be non-violent to the self, the community, and the planet. 

In this conversation, Sharon, Parker and Jerry speak about:

  • Parker’s approach to suffering
  • Responsibility is the ability to respond
  • John Rogers’ forms of suffering in the world
  • The pain of denying that which is true
  • Why humans are drawn to “othering”
  • The innate desire to grow
  • What it means to lead a fuller life
  • Looking for happiness in the wrong places
  • Deconditioning a control mindset
  • Is the world actually worse right now?
  • How to face our fears
  • How to reverse othering
  • We need stories about overcoming fear 
  • It helps to do hard things together 
  • Revamping institutions to support 
  • Getting involved in your local community

Additional Resources

You can learn more about Parker’s work right here and check out his Substack right here. You can learn more about Jerry’s work and his organization, Reboot.io, right here. This episode is also being released on the Reboot Podcast, available right here. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:24.4

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0:30.4

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0:37.3

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0:43.3

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0:52.3

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0:58.7

For more information, and to reserve your spot for the free event on Tuesday, May 26th.

1:05.2

Thank you. Hello and welcome to the Meta Hour podcast with Sharon Salzberg.

1:23.2

I'm Lily Kushman. I produce this podcast. And today we are returning with another episode

1:29.7

of our Engaged Compassion series for episode 286. Sharon is joined today by Parker J. Palmer and Jerry

1:41.4

Colonna. And Jerry's the person who we launched this series with.

1:46.0

So this conversation is a part two of that initial conversation.

1:52.0

And Parker is someone who is a close friend of both Sharon and Jerry,

1:57.0

so they wanted to kind of to bring him in on this conversation of how compassion

2:02.2

shows up in the world, how we can find a balance of an open heart without being overwhelmed

2:08.8

by the immense suffering both in our personal lives and on the larger world stage,

2:22.9

and how to use Buddhist teachings to navigate some of these innate paradoxes of life, like holding pain and joy, how to navigate suffering without

2:29.6

taking it as some kind of a punishment or personal failure and really infusing our compassion

2:37.1

more and more and more with the wisdom and perspective that is so needed.

2:43.3

And all of this kind of geared towards finding greater agency to take action in our communities, in our lives.

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