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He did get sentenced. He got quite a long sentence. He got 18 years. He pleaded guilty to attempted

murder of me, attempted child destruction on a baby,

as far as harming the passers-by. So he is serving his sentence now. You went to see him. I did, I did. Did you feel better about going to see him? But you want an answer, so. Well, this is the, even from hospital, I was so determined that he'd been totally normal up to that morning, Kiss me goodbye, everything.

I was like, but I want to speak to him.

He's my partner.

I want to speak to him.

And not insofar as any love thing. People go, oh, is it because you were still in love with him? No, it was, I was going to make him look me in the eye. It was that sort of determination. You're going to look at me. He wouldn't look at me in court and I started to find out things.

Hey, lovely listeners and welcome back to crime analyst in the intelligence cell and the final part of my illuminating conversation with the brilliant and brave and resilient Natalie.

And yes, that was a cliffhanger in the clip at the top of the episode. And I know I left you dangling and hanging at the end of part two. Natalie had to conduct her own investigation

and started to find out that Bobby was not who or what he presented as,

and she felt compelled to meet him in prison and to ask him the difficult questions.

As I keep saying, abuse is not always physical,

and it's certainly not physical in the first early stages of a relationship

in the honeymoon period when they're trying to

ensnare and entrap you. And yes, it really is as predatory as that. At that point, they present as the

perfect partner. They're often described as too good to be true, and they are. That's the clue. They are too good to be true, and that's where we

have to ask more questions. The coercive control is dressed up as attentiveness, romance, love, and

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