Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. So I have an awesome conversation with you today. It is a very

full, theologically rich conversation. I'm going to be talking to a polygist and pastor,

Jeff Durbin, about the end times. We have two different perspectives on the end times. And if

you just need a primer for what post-millennialist means or pre-millennialist means or post-trib,

pre-trib, dispensationalist, if you are not sure about those end times words in all of that vocabulary,

you can go back and you can listen to an episode I did a while ago called The End Times where I

tried to break that down. It was from about a year ago. So you can go back and listen to or watch

gotquestions.org is also a good website that kind of can tell you the different terms and what

they actually mean. I will say the site isn't without its own bias and perspective. And so just

make sure that you are weighing everything against the word of God, especially when and after you

listen to this conversation. I also recommend Wayne Grudum Systematic Theology. He goes through

each position, each eschatological position. And so that would be a great primer for this episode.

But of course, if you are someone who kind of already understands the end times and you've got

your own perspective, this is going to be extremely enriching, hopefully challenging for you and

gets you to think a little bit about what you believe about the end times. Such an important

conversation because as you will see, as I talk to Jeff, this really does shape not just how you

think, but the way that you live your life. So without further ado, here is Jeff Durbin.

Jeff, thank you so much for joining me. It's absolutely my pleasure. So you have already been on

my podcast before most people who are listening to this probably know who you are and listen to you as

well. But just in case can you tell everyone who you are and what you do? Sure, I'm a pastor at

Apology at Church and host of Apology at Radio. We have here is Apology at Studios. I have been a

pastor for a very, very long time. I started Apology at Church when I was the chaplain at a drug rehab.

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