you know, a father, grandfather with all of his, around his table. It's in the home is the best

experiences in the highest peaks of life.

What's up guys? Jeff and Jeremy here. Another episode of five minute fatherhood. Great question

today from Brody Snell. Good to see you. Love having you in the community. I love when I start

recognizing names and people because they've been in the community so long and ask good questions

and stuff. So love you guys and thanks for the question. I said, me and my wife are in the ministry

profession. Our life revolves around people's lives. It feels hard to create a rhythm when we are

confined to when others are free. What do you suggest for those

in the ministry profession? P.S. We help college students. They typically have little to no schedule

at all. Oh, that's a tough one. And that's a tough one for me to answer because I get super

triggered at the sentence of our life revolves around other people's lives and schedules.

That's Jeff's version of how. Yeah, that should not, yeah, exactly. That should not happen. We should never say that sentence. But I, but I do understand what you're saying. I do understand what you're saying. So I would say, I'll give one. So one thing I would say is lean into that. I just don't think that's true. I think that's a false premise. That ministry people do believe. Millions of people believe. So don't. So like that's, you're not

alone in believing that that's how ministry should operate, but it doesn't have to operate that way.

I fully believe that the best ministry is one that's coming out of a filling, one that's coming

out of someone being a whole, someone that's flourishing. So if you feel like you're full and you're flourishing and then your time is basically up for everyone else's grabs, then I think that's totally fine, actually. And I do think sometimes college ministry is that. But if you feel like that's teetering you guys on the edge of burnout or whatever, then I think that's, you got to start over, right? It's never at the expense for that. Two, so that's fair. But then two, to answer your question, because I do understand it is hard. And I used to do college ministry too back when we lived in Washington. And it is difficult, specifically with college students, there are times that they need to, especially if you have kids because it's like opposite. The kids schedules are opposite of like late nights and sporadic, et cetera. One thing I would say is don't let them, like,

how do I say this? Like, it's very easy to buy the lie that you have to kind of operate on their

schedule. Um, when it's like, no, no, the college students that you want to pour into will,

like I remember I would drop anything for the mentors I wanted to get to, you know what I mean? Or for the times I wanted to get to. So if you, so like, so pay attention to the people who are willing to bend for you because those are other people I think you need to pour into. Not everyone else. Believe in discipleship by multiplication, not addition. so like pour into three in hopes that it'll reach 20, you know, not pouring to 20. And then another thing too outsides and fold them into your rhythms. The best thing you can do, especially in a college environment, is you should, 99% of ministry should be them coming over for a meal at your house. 99%. And maybe you put the kids down and they stay late after and you guys have a cigar or bourbon or, you know, a bottle of water, depending on the denominations in the backyard. Well, hey, it's a senior, senior college student, right? So they're over 21 if they're senior. You're right. Right. So, but I think, so then they can go bottled water if they're under 21. But I think, yeah, just like enfold them into your dinners and fold them into your house. That was the most life-giving practices that ever happened to me is seeing homes and families at that stage. And so definitely don't forsake that. Anything you had, Jeremy? Yeah, I agree 100%. I love what you said about, like bring them over to your house for dinner.

There's a great verse in the Psalms that says, God has placed the solitary in homes or in families.

And one of the lies that the culture believes is that you are living your best sort of season of life when you're in college, when your life is most self-centered,

the least amount of responsibility. And the Bible's idea of the good life is Psalm 128. It's like, you know, a father, grandfather with all of his, around his table. It's in the home

is the best experiences in the highest peaks of life. And so that's what we believe in the

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