Ep. 271 – Diffusing Triggers, Reframing Trauma, and Surviving Suffering with Thomas Hübl, PhD
Heart Wisdom with Jack Kornfield
Be Here Now Network
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 8 January 2025
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Opening the doorway to transformation, Jack and Dr. Hübl explore spiritual discernment, identity, “central casting,” overcoming nervous system triggers, reframing trauma, and more.
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The ‘wisdom of insecurity’ is to learn that it’s okay to feel insecure—that it’s part of our human law—and to love anyway.” – Jack Kornfield
In Part 2 of this episode originally airing for Dr. Hübl’s ‘Spiritual Healing Journey Summit,’ Jack and Thomas mindfully explore:
- Spiritual community, idealism, disillusionment, and healing spiritual injury
- Jack’s experience “pressure testing” his teacher Ajahn Chah
- Trading our “blind faith” for “spiritual discernment”
- Living in joy with a free heart amidst it all
- Ram Dass, identity, and “central casting”
- Seeing past our identities/roles to our Divine Nature while still fully honoring them
- Reframing “trauma” with Buddha’s lens of suffering
- Healing the nervous system and it’s triggers
- Expanding our loving kindness to encompass all beings
- Walking through the doorway of transformation and dissolving the cosmos into love
- How to deal with our trauma and learn to live with suffering
- Reaching out and healing the part of the world we can touch
- The Bodhisattva vow as fostering the awakening of the heart
- Opening to the “wisdom of insecurity”
“Spiritual practice is to remember your true divine nature, and also your social security number, your particular role which ‘central casting’ has placed you in at this time.” – Jack Kornfield
"Disillusionment is part of the spiritual path, baby. It is! You have to see with the eyes of the Buddha to see the truth of suffering and greed and hatred, and also see that it's not the end of the story, that that's not who you are." – Jack Kornfield
About Thomas Hübl, PhD:
Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.
He is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World and Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. For more info, books, podcast, and upcoming offerings, please visit thomashuebl.com
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| 0:00.0 | So I'm really raising the question of identity that spiritual practice is to be able to expand your |
| 0:10.4 | identity without diminishing the individual, you know, to remember your true, divine nature, |
| 0:16.7 | and also remember, you know, your Social Security number that you have a particular role. |
| 0:23.3 | Central casting is placed you in this role at this time. |
| 0:27.0 | And to not denigrate either side, |
| 0:29.9 | but to feel the connection with all |
| 0:31.6 | and then let it empower the responsibility |
| 0:33.9 | or the ability to respond in this particular incarnation you have. |
| 0:44.1 | Hello and welcome back to Heart Wisdom. |
| 0:47.1 | Jack Cornfield's podcast nestled so sweetly on the Be Here Now Network. |
| 0:51.7 | I'm Ganesh, honored to open the door to episode 271, |
| 0:55.9 | diffusing triggers, reframing trauma, and surviving suffering. A video episode with Dr. Thomas |
| 1:03.7 | Hubell. This is from Dr. Thomas' Spiritual Healing Journey Summit, and we thank him and the rest of his team for allowing us to |
| 1:12.7 | use this wonderful footage of him interviewing Jack. |
| 1:17.1 | And in listening to this conversation, what it ends up turning into is a very profound |
| 1:22.9 | toolkit for our modern age. |
| 1:26.1 | They speak to very prescient hot topics like triggers, these stimuli, |
| 1:35.1 | unique stimuli for each of us that incites something within our nervous system that just |
| 1:41.9 | takes over our volition and we generally jump right into fight, |
| 1:46.9 | flight, or freeze. This is something that I have been dealing with immensely lately. And I'm sure |
| 1:54.3 | so many others have as well as our anxiety load consistently seems to be at an overload at points. |
| 2:03.6 | So Jack and Dr. Hewgel here offer a guide to help diffuse this and allow us to come back |
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