Odds are if you're listening to this episode of the breakdown that you've never ever been to

Eugene Oregon. Now I don't mean that as a disc of Eugene.

Eugene is great.

And our director of podcasting, Lassandra,

is not only from Eugene.

She's actually in Eugene right now.

But what you probably did not know is that right now in Eugene,

they have what might be the very best example of how you actually defund the police.

Now the Eugene Police Department still has plenty of problems, but for nearly 30 years they've

had a programming Eugene called Cahoots, which reroutes all of the mental health and social service 911 calls to a completely

separate organization. And that's what we need all over the country.

Let me unpack and explain it. Let me tell you what's going on in Eugene, Oregon and

why it is one of the best models we have in the country.

This is Sean King and you are listening to The Breakdown.

The Breakdown. When you get a chance and I always love for you to kick the tires,

open the hood and learn things for yourself so that you can really see what this is all about.

When you get a chance, I want you to Google the words and you've probably, this is another

Eugene organ joke.

You've probably never googled Eugene before. Eugene Organ

before,

before, Eugene Organ and the word

Cooots, C a h oo t s, Eugene organ kahoots.

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