This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, best-selling authors, and the pros that know

what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covell, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

A huge Pixies fan.

I love that song.

I've been listening to it forever, long before it ever hit the Fight Club soundtrack.

You know, for those that don't know, the Pixies, that kind of slow hard, slow hard, up and down rhythm, you know, Kurt Cobain and Nirvana always used to say that they were his biggest influence.

And I tell you, you know, I've had a chance to meet a lot of really interesting people.

For people that follow my trend following work, they know clearly all these great trend following traders that I've had a chance to learn from and pass along their insights.

But I also had a chance to meet Mikhail Gorbachev.

That was really cool. When I was a kid, I don't know if I really

ended up meeting her, but she was at my parents' house was Liz Taylor. And I remember thinking

myself, man, why are all these older men in love with this woman? Because she wasn't exactly

thin at the time. Anyways, that's a slight divergence. But to the Pixie song, I will have to say,

one of the coolest people I've ever met is Charles

Thompson, who otherwise known as Black Francis, otherwise known as Frank Black. He's a lot of different

aliases. But having a chance to sit down and we actually talked about the Turtle Trader book,

and this is a couple years ago, a year and a half ago or so. But, you know,

I love, I love that, that inspiration. Anyways, it's a slight tangent. I just figured I get that

out of the way before I talked about what I talked about today. And, you know, I have to

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