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Today's hour, I'm curious about life after being a reality TV star.

Joining me is Spencer Matthews.

Spencer, shot to fame by starring him Made in Chelsea.

He has had a colourful TV life, which I'm sure we'll talk about.

And now he set up a company, Clean and Co, selling non-alcohol alternatives to spirits, non-alcohol alternative to spirits.

Yeah, it's a fascinating area, and it's definitely a growing market.

Let's meet him.

Let's speak to him.

Here's Spencer Matthews.

Spencer, hello, welcome.

Thank you for coming on the podcast.

That's a great pleasure, Tim. It's nice to see you outside of the Sunday brunch set.

Do you enjoy doing that?

The Sunday brunch? Sunday brunch? Yeah.

Yeah, I know, I enjoy it. I think whenever you're kind enough to have me on, we always have a good time.

It's a very, that's a great show.

I wonder, I wonder if, um, life's panning out how you wanted it to, because, uh, made in Chelsea,

but I mean, it's kind of a risky thing to do to begin with. But after, after you've done it,

your people like you and Jamie Lang, you've, you've had an amazing life since then, haven't you? I think it's, I think your

appetite for risk is probably higher when you're a bit younger. You know, I really, I really saw it

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