Ep. 243: Charlie Puth Pt. 2| The Long Road to Becoming Yourself
And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan
And The Writer Is
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🗓️ 17 March 2026
⏱️ 92 minutes
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Summary
Today’s guest is one of the defining voices in modern pop — a songwriter, producer, and artist behind some of the biggest records of the last decade.
His songs have been streamed billions of times worldwide.
He came to Los Angeles to write for others.
Instead, he became a globally identifiable artist — before fully becoming himself.
Now, he’s building something that’s truly his.
And The Writer Is… Charlie Puth!
In this episode, Charlie opens up about:
• His early journey
• The moment “See You Again” came together, and why it still feels unexplainable
• How early success shaped his career before his identity caught up
• Why the best songs often come from discomfort, not control
• The role of collaboration in pushing him beyond his instincts
• Sessions with legendary artists — and what those moments actually feel like
• The importance of staying human in an increasingly synthetic world
• And much more…
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:46 Charlie Demos the Theme Song
5:00 The “Mouth Phone” Trick
7:00 His Secret Involvement in Dangerous Woman
9:00 “Stay” — The Power of Collaboration (Justin Bieber, Kid Laroi)
13:00 “Are You Where You Want to Be?”
16:00 Where His Best Work Comes From
16:53 The Story of See You Again
20:43 Wiz Khalifa’s Defining 'See You Again' Moment
23:02 When the Industry Didn’t Know What to Do With Him
27:22 The Song No One Believed In (We Don’t Talk Anymore)
29:52 Ross’s Philosophy on Sending Music
31:04 The Song That Changed Everything
34:09 Authenticity, Vulnerability, and Letting People In
39:00 Why It’s More Important to Be Human Than Ever
45:05 NMPA — Our Lead Sponsor This Season
45:56 Splice
46:38 Conflict, Collaboration, and Making the New Album
51:11 Coffee With Kenny G and Michael McDonald
55:39 Chris Stapleton's Songwriting Advice
1:02:05 The Artists and Producers He Studies
1:08:00 His Lowest Point
1:31:51 Charlie Shares Drum Samples
Hosted by Ross Golan
Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad
Edited by Jad Saad
Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki
Watercolor Art by Michael White
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| 0:00.0 | The first time I ever worked with DJ Mustard and I was like, let's tune the 808s to be diatonic to D flat major. |
| 0:07.0 | He looked at me and was like, what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 0:11.6 | I think writing songs is like printing out free lottery tickets. |
| 0:15.7 | In your case, like everybody knows you won the lottery. Do you feel like people take from you? |
| 0:21.9 | Um, yeah, people have definitely taken from me. |
| 0:24.4 | Are you where you thought you would be? |
| 0:26.3 | I wanted to do what you were doing. |
| 0:28.1 | I wanted to write hits for other artists. |
| 0:30.9 | When you stop caring about the outcome, |
| 0:33.1 | it's when you actually get the outcome that you want. |
| 0:36.0 | How do you see you again 10 years later? |
| 0:39.3 | That was the most special moment of my songwriting career. |
| 0:42.3 | They wouldn't even let me leave the building until I like signed my publishing deal. |
| 0:46.3 | What did success fix and what did it not fix? |
| 0:50.3 | Success on its own did not bring happiness. |
| 0:55.0 | The simple things in life make me happy. |
| 0:58.0 | Have you ever been to Chili's Encino? |
| 1:00.0 | I have not. |
| 1:02.0 | What was the lowest point in your career? |
| 1:04.0 | I was cos-playing happy. |
| 1:06.0 | I kind of lost track of why I got started in this industry anyway. I lost my way. |
| 1:11.6 | This season is presented by NMPA, the National Music Publishers Association. |
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