Hey there, I'm Drew and you are listening to and may be watching The Anxious Truth.

This is the podcast that covers all things anxiety, anxiety disorders, and anxiety recovery.

So if you're struggling with things like panic attacks, agoraphobia, or OCD,

this is the place for you. Today, I'm joined by two very special guests, Joshua Fletcher and

Kimberly Quinlan, two of my favorite therapist friends, and we're going to talk about the idea

that in recovery from an anxiety disorder, it's very difficult to serve multiple masters. So stay tuned.

Hello everybody, welcome back to The Anxious Truth. This is podcast episode number 242,

recorded in January of 2023. I am Drew Linselata, creator and host of The Anxious Truth,

and I am happy that you are here on what appears to be kind of a bad hair day. So if you're listening

to the podcast instead of watching on YouTube, consider yourself lucky. Anyway, welcome to

the podcast. Today, we're going to talk about the idea that serving multiple masters in the process

of recovery from an anxiety disorder is really difficult. This came up in my Facebook group,

basically centered around a metaphobia, which is the fear of vomiting, and how it's very difficult

to recover from your anxiety disorder and guard your metaphobia and not touch it if the two

conflict, especially if one of the problems is that anxiety makes you nauseous or makes you

afraid that you may vomit. And the conversation expanded from there to include other things like

perfectionism and people pleasing and type A personalities and overachieving and multitasking and

being the perfect parent. So it's a really good discussion to have because I think it's a topic

that is underserved, and we probably need to look at it a little more. So I asked my friends,

Kimberly Quinlan and Josh Fletcher, two of my favorite therapist friends to come on the podcast,

it's been a long time since the three of us did anything like this together. And we talked about

that. So before we get to that, which is about a half hour discussion, I think you're really going

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