Ep. 240: Nir Eyal Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio
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Michael Covel
4.6 • 732 Ratings
🗓️ 20 May 2014
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
My guest today is Nir Eyal, an educator, author, and entrepreneur who is all about connecting psychology, technology, and business.
The topic is his book Hooked: How To Build Habit Forming Products.
In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:
- How behavior and habits can be engineered, and how technology changes our behavior
- The moral implications of habit forming activities
- The difference between habits and addictions
- Breaking "the hook"
- The four areas that "the hook" goes through: trigger, action, variable reward, and investment
- The IKEA example and how value can be built
- Eyal's mentors and influences
- The importance of social feedback from your community
- The WhatsApp deal, and how to deal with your "insane jealousy" of the messaging app deal
- Getting equal pay for equal work, and how that might be embedded in our DNA
- The importance of interface changes when it comes to revolutionary changes in technology
Jump in!
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I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive. |
| 0:10.9 | Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings. |
| 0:21.2 | I am your host, Michael Covel. |
| 0:24.0 | Not filtered, raw, honest. |
| 0:27.3 | That's my passion. |
| 0:33.4 | On the show today, I have Neer Ayal. |
| 0:37.3 | Here's an author, educator, entrepreneur. |
| 0:40.9 | He's all about connecting psychology, technology, and business. |
| 0:45.5 | He has very effectively done this through a book called Hooked that I found fascinating. |
| 0:51.4 | How technology is driving the habits. the new habits that we're all having to deal with |
| 1:00.1 | every day. It's a worthy discussion. Whether you're into the direction that near goes or not, |
| 1:09.0 | you're going to have to deal with it. And ultimately, the larger |
| 1:13.1 | issues, questions that you have to consider distraction, the morality of this. Very interesting. |
| 1:24.3 | I hope you enjoy. |
| 1:32.8 | We have finally connected. |
| 1:37.4 | Hey, I'm so sorry about that. I'm having some, I'm at a hotel and I'm having some technical difficulties that I didn't expect. I'm sorry. Yeah, I actually have experienced |
| 1:42.3 | hotel recording technical difficulties, so I do have some empathy there. I should have, I actually have experienced hotel recording technical difficulties, so I do have some empathy there. |
| 1:46.9 | I should have accounted for this. I'm so sorry. |
| 1:52.0 | That's all right. It's all right. Where are you at today? |
| 1:54.6 | I'm in Vancouver. |
| 1:56.0 | Okay. Still west coast, though. |
| 1:57.9 | Yeah, that's right. That's right. Early for you, a little late from me. I'm in |
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