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And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan

Ep. 237: Philip Lawrence | How a $5 Bus Pass Created Bruno Mars

And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan

And The Writer Is

Songwriting, Artists, Interviews, Music Interviews, Music Creation, Music, Songwriters, Education

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 119 minutes

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Summary

Today's guest is a Grammy-winning songwriter, producer, and performer, best known as one-third of The Smeezingtons and a foundational creative force behind Bruno Mars’ career. He has co-written and helped shape some of the most influential pop songs of the last two decades, including Just the Way You Are, Billionaire, Locked Out of Heaven, When I Was Your Man, 24K Magic, Nothin’ on You, and many more...


And The Writer Is... Bruno Mars!


In this episode of And The Writer Is…, Philip Lawrence tells his story in full—for the first time

- How a $5 bus pass led to Bruno Mars

- The hidden cost of early success

- Real stories behind pop’s biggest records

- The pivot that made everything 'click'

- A breakdown at the peak—and the call that brought him back

and much more...


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Chapters:

0:00 Intro

4:00 “I Just Might” and Bruno Mars

10:31 Childhood and Not Feeling Good Enough

14:00 Early Career

20:00 Leaving School and Auditioning for Disney

26:00 The Disney Break Room: The Beginning of His Journey

27:00 His First Session

30:00 Meeting Steven Seagal

34:00 Moving to LA

37:09 Losing Everything He Had So Far

39:00 Finding His Manager

43:00 Finding His Way Through the Industry

44:42 His Ego Death

45:50 The Pivot That Really Started His Career

46:50 Be Friends With All the Assistants

47:20 NMPA and Splice

48:45 How to Write for Radio

49:30 Developing His Songwriting Ethos

50:29 Spending His Last $5 to Meet Bruno Mars (Before He Was Bruno Mars)

1:05:09 How Bruno Stayed on His Early Hook Placements

1:07:28 The Story of Nothin’ on You

1:09:20 Billionaire

1:11:50 Just the Way You Are

1:19:15 Talking to the Moon

1:20:49 Ross’s CeeLo Story

1:23:00 “F*** You” Was Not Supposed to Happen

1:28:00 How Locked Out of Heaven Happened

1:33:22 When I Was Your Man / Flowers (Miley Cyrus)

1:36:50 Five Songs He Wishes He Wrote

1:38:34 24K Magic

1:40:36 His Breakdown at the Peak of Success

1:48:45 The Comeback Phone Call With Bruno

1:50:18 APT

1:52:39 Advice for Songwriters + Rapid-Fire Questions



Hosted by Ross Golan

Produced by Joe London and Jad Saad

Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Transcript

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0:00.0

You know, we're at the height of everything.

0:02.0

We just came, you know, won seven Grammys and, you know, I should be the happiest I've ever been.

0:08.0

And it was the opposite for me.

0:10.0

So what did you leave behind?

0:12.0

Everything.

0:14.0

I left behind the life that I built, man.

0:16.0

I had this really false sense of what my life in LA was going to be like.

0:20.0

How'd you pay your bills?

0:21.6

I didn't for a long time.

0:23.6

You know, which was a little humbling.

0:26.6

You come out here to be the star and it's like I'm doing everything I feel like I can to be that star and it's not working.

0:32.6

Tell me about the day you meet Bruno Mars.

0:35.6

Oh, that fateful day.

0:38.8

Keith calls me up.

0:41.1

He says, hey man, I've been working with this kid.

0:43.0

He's really, really talented.

0:44.6

The studio was in North Hollywood.

0:46.7

I had literally had $5.

0:52.4

And at that time, you could pay $5 and get an all-day bus pass.

0:54.4

Boy, I hope this kid is good.

0:55.8

I show up and it's Bruno.

0:57.4

We hit it off.

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