Ep. 234: Ryan Holiday Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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Michael Covel

Business, Investing

4.6 • 732 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2014

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

My guest today is Ryan Holiday, director of marketing for American Apparel; media strategist for Tucker Max, Dov Charney, and others.

The topic is his book The Obstacle Is the Way: The Timeless Art of Turning Trials into Triumph.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

Marcus Aurelius' philosophy and stoicism, and why it has such a hold on Holiday
Distraction
Why the impediment to action actually advances action
The unpredictability of the world, and how we react to the world
George Clooney, and his start as an actor related to the obstacles we all face
Steve Jobs' reality distortion field
What drives Holiday today
How will is the ultimate trump card
The two definitions of will
Alabama Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban and his approach to the moment of now
Feeling great about the fight, the adversity, and the challenge
How the process is intrinsically valuable

Jump in!

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I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show.

To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/

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Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Transcript

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0:00.0	This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.
0:10.9	Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.
0:21.2	I am your host, Michael Cobell.
0:24.0	Not filtered, raw, honest.
0:27.3	That's my passion.
0:32.9	Today on the podcast, I have Ryan Holiday.
0:36.0	Ryan has appeared on my podcast before.
0:38.3	I always enjoy his appearances.
0:40.5	Today, his new book, The Obstacle, Is The Way.
0:45.7	What a great title.
0:47.7	Direct, Head On.
0:50.1	The stuff that you don't want to do.
0:52.8	The stuff that feels bad. The impediment in front of you,
0:59.0	that's where you should be concentrating.
1:01.5	Go straight into the heart of the problem.
1:05.6	The heart of the impediment.
1:07.8	That's where you want to be.
1:09.8	I hope you enjoy this conversation.
1:17.9	Hey, Mr. Holiday. How are you? I'm doing excellent. How are you? That's too bad. I assume I'm
1:23.2	reaching you in Austin. You are. Cool. How is Austin these days?
1:28.0	I've not been for a while.
1:29.1	I love Austin.
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