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The Antifada

Ep 233: Post-Soviet Space w/ Volodymyr Ishchenko

The Antifada

Sean KB and AP Andy

Music, Arts

4.2970 Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2023

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Andy are joined by Volodymyr Ishchenko, Ukrainian Marxist and sociologist, to discuss his upcoming collection of essays "Toward the Abyss" from Verso Books. (You can and should preorder here.)

How does a 'civilizational' or 'cultural' or 'decolonial' understanding of the Russia-Ukraine conflict obscure the underlying class conflict at its heart? What is the political economy of 'corruption' and anti-corruption? How has the delegitimization of the post-Soviet political capitalist ruling class led to stagnation and civil war? Why have their been a series of Occupys, EuroMaidans and Arab Springs that seem to change nothing?

This is part one of an extended discussion. In the bonus we pose the question, "What does the left look like in Ukraine at the moment and how can internationalists help build a working class movement adequate to social revolution in a global capitalist social order in steep decline?"

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Articles:

https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii138/articles/volodymyr-ishchenko-ukrainian-voices

https://jacobin.com/2022/10/russia-ukraine-war-explanation-class-conflict

Song: RotFront - Sovietoblaster

Transcript

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0:00.0

The winds go round, the bee goes faster.

0:07.0

It's my favorite tune on the Soviet or Blaster.

0:11.0

And everyone here... to bless the. Hello folks and welcome to the Antifada.

0:17.0

I'm Sean and I'm here with Andy and we have a very very special guest today a guest that we've been working to get on the

0:25.2

podcast for at least a year or so but who has been very busy because he's a Marxist analyst

0:30.8

and a Ukrainian who's been doing a lot of work speaking with all sorts of

0:36.2

international groups who are trying to analyze and understand the conflict

0:40.1

that's happening over there, its recent history and its deep history. So with that I'd like to welcome to the show of Valotameer

0:46.0

Aishenko. Welcome. Yeah, thank you for having me here. We are in a spot right now where there's a lot of rhetoric there's a lot of good analysis

0:55.2

there's a lot of bad analysis coming out about not just Ukraine and Russia but the

0:59.9

broader post-Soviet sphere and you've been spending two years as I said in high

1:04.2

demand under kind of explaining the nuts and bolts of the last of the history of the

1:09.0

last couple of years to the last 30 years last 100 years So this conversation that we're going to have today,

1:16.2

we'd like to be a little bit more advanced

1:19.4

and a little bit more in-depth on important issues like what's the role of the

1:25.5

international left vis-à-vis the Ukrainian left and the Russian left in the

1:30.5

course of this conflict what might a reconstruction look like that we could

1:35.0

internationally play a pardon.

1:37.0

All sorts of analytical questions about the political economy of the region

1:42.0

and how it isn't quite so alien from say our

1:45.6

political economy in the quote unquote West as we might imagine it. In order to

1:50.7

kick-start that conversation I found a couple of really great paragraphs from a recent article of yours about the left in a article called the Russian invasion and the left in Ukraine and beyond.

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