Ep 231: John Dee part 2

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David Flora

Science, Society & Culture, Social Sciences

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🗓️ 1 September 2019

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Scry so serious? The saga of John Dee continues in a massive second part of the episode. The second half of John Dee's life was even wilder than his first, scrying with Edward Kelley and writing down the angelic language. Flora continues an incredibly deep dive into the polymath's life, detailing his actions with Kelley, travels abroad, and his death. It's perhaps the most publicized part of his life. Countless esoteric and mystical pursuits have been inspired by the work he did in this period. David rounds out the misunderstood mathematician's life and discusses thoughts on his and Kelley's work. He also speaks to some out there theories on Dee's pursuits. Special thanks goes to author and historian Benjamin Woolley for joining to speak about many aspects of Dee's life and works. Make sure to pick up a copy of The Queen's Conjurer: The Life and Magic of Dr. Dee, an amazing resource for this massive 2 parter! Clear the schedule and polish the shewstone, this dee-luxe episode is dee-lectible! Part 1 can be found HERE Music Myst on the Moor, Temple of the Manes, Rites, Ritual, Danse Macabre – Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Praeludium by Pachelbel Performed by Gosse Hulzinga, Public Domain Ciacona in D minorby Pachelbel Performed by Gosse Hulzinga, Public Domain La notte by Liszt Conductor Mauro Tortorelli, Public Domain Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky European Archive, Public Domain The Seasons, Op. 37a - VI. June: Barcarolle by Tchaikovsky Conductor Peter Bradley-Fulgoni, Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 International Grand Flamenco by JRS Schattenberg https://www.youtube.com/user/MultiDroideka/featured Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 Music Credit: OurMusicBox (Jay Man) Track Name: "Spy And Die" Music By: Jay Man @ https://ourmusicbox.com/ Official "OurMusicBox" YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/ourmusicbox License for commercial use: Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Music promoted by NCM https://goo.gl/fh3rEJ Sources

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0:00.0	This episode is sponsored by Cards Against Humanity who asked me not to read an ad so enjoy the show.
0:07.0	This is the second of a two-part episode. Part one dealt with the life and times of John D from 1527 to 1582.
0:18.0	Part two picks up with red skies of Mort Lake and the appearance of a stranger who called himself Edward Talbot. The The What's just thou else in the dark backward an abysm of time?
1:09.4	Shakespeare, the tempest. The Tempest. Edward Talbot cast a large shadow in more ways than one.
1:19.0	He was obese, had a face adorned in scars, walked with a cane and a limp, and was not pleasant to be
1:26.6	around when drunk, which was often.
1:30.4	He constantly wore a cowl over his head to cover the fact that his ears had been cropped as punishment for coining or forging coins.
1:39.0	The scars he sported were possibly the result of stones being thrown at him while in a
1:43.7	pillory for another crime, that being forging title deeds. And his mystique was
1:49.6	only augmented by a recent accusation of his engagement in necromantic arts.
1:55.1	He and an acquaintance named Paul Waring were said to have invoked a member of the
2:00.0	Infernal Regiment near Lancashire to inquire about the death of a young nobleman, then dug up the
2:06.4	freshest corpse in a local graveyard and made it speak to tell them more about this nobleman.
2:12.8	It would be several months before Talbot revealed his real name to be Edward Kelly.
2:18.7	So even from the start, suspicion abounded. Yet for all his obvious character indications, the man had a sort of
2:26.9	of rogue's charm about him. John D. was in the market for a good scryer, and damned if Kelly didn't fit the bill to a tee.
2:37.0	Author and historian Benjamin Woolley speaks to Kelly's arrival at Mortlake.
2:42.0	Well, Edward Kelly was a wonderfully mysterious
2:46.9	charismatic figure who lies at the heart of the D story which I'm not sure well I
2:52.2	don't know if D would be happy with that but anyway he's you can't think about one without thinking about the other and yeah Kelly he turned up at
3:00.1	Dee's doorstep he talks about about something like a blood-red sunset or something like that in his diary and it seemed to have been auspicious because that was the evening that this figure, identifying himself as
3:14.0	Talbot appeared at his doorstep.
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