All right, we are down to our last three cities for the live in the stacks tour, and if the first two stops were any indication, you do not want to miss this tour.

I will be in Washington, D.C. with Jason Reynolds on September 24th. I will be in New York City with KSA layman on September 25th, and I will be in Los Angeles on October 18th with three guests.

Yes, three guests, three of my favorite friends of the podcast, Rachel Lindsay, Chelsea Devantes, and Sam Sanders.

The show promises a night of big laughs, hot takes, and more bookish conversation than you could possibly imagine.

Tickets are selling fast, so head to the stackspodcast.com slash tour right now before they sell out.

Welcome to the stacks, a podcast about books and the people who read them. I'm your host Tracy Thomas, and today on the stacks, we are joined by Lisa Lucas.

She is the senior vice president and publisher at Pantheon in Shocking Books, a Penguin Random House division.

She's also the former executive director of the National Book Foundation, which is the organization that brings you the National Book Awards.

We talk today about Lisa's new role in publishing, what the future publishing could look like, and, of course, about some of Lisa's favorite books.

Quick reminder, everything we talk about on each episode of the stacks can be found in the link in the show notes.

And Lisa will be back to discuss September's book club pick, The Trees by Perseval Everett, so make sure you tune in for that episode on September 28th.

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And now it's time for my conversation with Lisa Lucas.

All right, everybody. I am so excited today. I am joined by I think for the very first time ever on the show, a publisher.

I've never had a publisher, an editor, an SVP. I've never had anybody like you. So Lisa Lucas, welcome to the stacks.

Thanks for having me. Happy to be your first.

I'm so excited. I have like five years of questions for you.

Even though I know you haven't been a publisher for five years, but you're going to carry the mantle for a little bit for your people.

Because I've asked a few editors to come on and they're like, I'm scared.

I guess they don't like to be in front of the microphone.

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