All right, we are down to our last three cities for the live in the stacks tour, and if the first two stops were any indication, you do not want to miss this tour.

I will be in Washington, D.C. with Jason Reynolds on September 24th. I will be in New York City with KSA layman on September 25th, and I will be in Los Angeles on October 18th with three guests.

Yes, three guests, three of my favorite friends of the podcast, Rachel Lindsay, Chelsea Devantes, and Sam Sanders.

The show promises a night of big laughs, hot takes, and more bookish conversation than you could possibly imagine.

Tickets are selling fast, so head to the stackspodcast.com slash tour right now before they sell out.

Welcome to the stacks of podcast about books and the people who read them. I'm your host, Tracy Thomas, and today we are joined by Marissa Renee Lee.

She's an author, advocate, speaker, and entrepreneur whose writing has appeared in Vogue, the Atlantic, Glamour, and so many other outlets.

She is a former appointee of the Obama White House, the CEO of a social impact consulting firm, and the founder of the Pink Agenda, which raises money for breast cancer care, research, and awareness.

With a long history of caretaking and grief work, Marissa focuses on methods for healing and transformation after loss, so today I am thrilled to finally talk to Marissa about her nationally best selling first book, grief is love, living with loss.

It's a guide through the pain and recovery of depth, passion, and joy in the wake of tragedy.

Quick reminder, everything we talk about on each episode of the stacks can be found in the link in the show notes on your podcasting app.

Our book club pick for August is how to write an autobiographical novel by Alexander Chi, and we will be discussing the book on August 31st with Ingrid Rojas Contreras.

If you love the show and want more of it head to patreon.com slash the stacks to join the stacks back.

If you join, you get access to our virtual book club meetups, the stacks very lively discord, and our monthly bonus episodes.

Our most recent episode of the stacks bonus material called the stacks on a bridge is with Tia Williams.

She's the author of seven days in June. I freaking love her. She's so wonderful. We talk romance, snacks, and all sorts of stuff.

So if this sounds like something you'd be interested in, or if you just want to show some love for your favorite black woman run indie podcast, head to patreon.com slash the stacks to join.

And thank you so much to our newest members of the stacks pack, Shannon Martin, and Kate Porigale.

Thank you both so much, and thank you to the entire stacks pack just for being wonderful humans. Okay, now it's time for my conversation with Marissa Renee Lee.

All right, everybody. I'm very excited today. I am joined by Marissa Renee Lee, who is the author of grief is love.

And if you've been listening to this show, especially in the last year, you know that I've kind of become obsessed with grief and talking about grief and like wanting to talk about grief.

So it only feels right to have like the grief expert on. So Marissa, welcome to the stacks.

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