Is there a place in the world where you're not known?

No. Today's guest is one of the biggest musicians in the world. The history of music. I want to talk about your life from the perspective of being a songwriter. That's where I find this such an interesting podcast to come on. Why didn't you give up? I didn't have a plan B. Do you run out of ideas? I go through seasons. So I'll have days where I'm just on, and then I'll have months where it's shit. Putting yourself out there like that, until it's successful, it is embarrassing because you've got nothing to show for it. And I think the only solace you can find is, like, you love it. You know, all your friends go to university, and then they start getting jobs,'re comfortable, they have money, blah blah blah, and you're the one that turns up not having showered for four days, wearing the same socks for a week. I can't thank you enough on behalf of all songwriters. I appreciate that man, thank you. You're like the first person to like publicly say thank you. If you were to give your kids the advice when they say, I want to do music, what do you say to them right now?

This season is presented by NMPA, the National Music Publishers Association.

Champions of songwriters and publishers everywhere.

Welcome to And The Writer is. I'm your host, Ross Golan. Today's legend went from busking

street corners to selling out stadiums without compromising his humility. This icon is one of the

most streamed artists of all time,

including multiple songs in the top ten.

Amongst his long list of accolades,

he's a four-time Grammy winner and an Ivor Novello Award and honoree.

But he's not only an artist.

He's a songwriter, songwriter.

He's Penn Smashes, Four and With Justin Bieber, in songwriter, songwriter. He's Penn Smashes for and with Justin Bieber and the

weekend, Taylor Swift, One Direction, BTS, and so many others. All the way from the United Kingdom,

this painter, is maybe one of the greatest songwriters of all time, but he's still just dad at home.

And the writer is Ed Shear Sharon. That's a very sweet intro. Thank you. So we've actually, we, we, the first time we

met, which I don't, I'd be surprised if you remember, because I went, I went and looked this up

last night. This is an amazing truth

it was backstage at a Mac Miller concert in 2013 where and Hammerstein ballroom

yeah and I brought Kit Harrington do you remember that oh whoa I did not know that

me and me and Kit turned up and we got Kit to like bring on Max's like drink halfway

through and Mac didn't know he was there and he obviously watched Game of Thrones

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