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Alrighty, folks. So the big beautiful bill is reaching fruition in the Senate.

What will the final form look like?

We don't actually know at this point a lot of negotiations happening inside the Republican

Senate caucus. And of course, you have people who are fiscal hawks,

like Senator Ron Johnson, who's been a guest on the show, talking about the shortcomings of the

big, beautiful bill in terms of spending. Obviously, this bill maintains Biden levels of spending.

It does not, in fact, cut back to 2019 pre-pandemic levels of spending. And then you have people

inside the Republican caucus like Senator

Josh Hawley from Missouri, who thinks the bill actually goes too far in cutting spending. The House

bill goes too far by putting work requirements on Medicaid, for example. So as always,

you have a fractious Republican caucus. And the question is, what gets through? What's emerging

right now inside the Republican Party is a fight between

the ideal and the pragmatic. And neither side is actually wrong in this particular fight.

So this has now boiled down to a fight between President Trump and Elon Musk. So Elon, of course,

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