Hey it's fat mascara I am Jessica Matlin. Oh first names and last names I know Jen. I was like that was a little weird for me. It just like came out. It was very professional. It's because our guest has three names so you just wanted to have at least two.

Maybe that is why. Little side bit.

I did learn a good piece of advice once.

I don't always use it, but I remember Joanna Kohl's, who was the editor chief of

cosmopolitan when I worked there, she said that women do not often

introduce themselves with their first name and last name. They usually just say like,

oh, I'm Suzanne, whatever, but men often do use their first name and last name

and to introduce yourself first and last name.

I don't always feel it's natural, but sometimes I do use both names, and when I do, I always feel it's natural, but sometimes I do use both names and when I do I always feel like, okay.

Well, hello Jessica Matlin, I'm Jennifer Aaron Goldstein Sullivan.

I love that, yes, yes for go for the four I still feel weird about my like

that I have a do Sullivan is my last name so I never do that anyway

all of my names yeah welcome to fat

mascara on a Thursday it's our big juicy interview episode a triple barrel name

Tracy Ellis Ross. I'm so excited about this interview. So if you

you might know who Tracy is but let me give you a little background. She's an award-winning actor, the founder of the Hair Care Line pattern.

So she grew up in LA.

She used to be a model in her teens.

Who knew?

I did, because she's gorgeous.

Yeah.

She attended Brown University.

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