That's such a nerd.

such a nerd move.

Oh no, I'm the real nerd.

I brought notes. No that's awesome.

I have notes too but there I didn't share them with you so you wouldn't know that I

had notes. Oh that's okay trying to get spontaneous reactions from you oh no that's yeah I mean

so are we recording it okay we're recording it yeah okay we We're recording it. Yeah. Okay. So basically I brought some notes on

the debate between Graber and Teal just like benchmarking the things that were said

not like takes so just to keep everyone it looks like you have we've got some notes

yeah I watched I watched the Graber Teal just earlier today.

Okay, so I had some thoughts. So Graham, she tries to push against that with things like the idea of the organic intellectual by saying

that the intellectual is not a distinct class and that it's just the idea of intellectual is just something that has this like

class aura of traditionalism from like the Academy and so Gramsci's basically the first person

to make the PMC critique the professional managerial critique.

And we've all been cursed or blessed with it since.

Yeah.

Depending on where you stand on PMC.

Oh, Andy, would you agree with that?

With what?

So I was saying that Graham She's idea of the organic intellectual is kind of like the first, one of the first critiques on the idea of the professional managerial class basically like the idea

of the organic intellectual is that intellectuals are not a distinct classroom workers and you

know he was influenced by Linen's idea that we need to obliterate the

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