Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast where we take abstract ideas about happiness and

make them concrete and manageable.

This week is a very special episode.

Further discussion of the idea we talked about in episode 214 about giving something up

for a month.

Now, you may be thinking, hey, this is not episode 220.

Why is this a very special episode?

It is so special we are doing it on 219 because we have the opportunity to talk to the brilliant

Melissa Hartwig Urban about this idea and about drum roll.

Her new podcast, Do the Thing.

I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer whose studies happiness, good habits in human nature.

I'm in New York City and with me live in the studio.

Her first visit to cadence 13 is my sister, Elizabeth Kraft.

That's me, Elizabeth Kraft, a TV writer and producer living in LA and Gretchen.

I can tell you that cadence 13 is 5,500 steps from your apartment because we walked here

and I was logging the steps.

Good.

I'm going to actually be a cadence 13 to meet Bob, our engineer and person.

It's the first time we've been faced to face and to get to record with you.

It's so fun.

It's kind of a nerve to look up and you're like, you're face talking to me.

I know.

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