Oh, church, when did we lose our way?

Welcome to the Deconstructionist podcast. I'm your host John Williamson, and welcome to part two of my interview with Sarah Hurwitz.

In our last episode, Sarah shared her personal journey of

rediscovering her Jewish heritage and how that shaped her latest book called As a Jew

reclaiming our story from those who blame shame and try to erase us. Today we go even deeper,

talking about the big questions the book raises, how ancient wisdom speaks to modern life,

how rituals can ground us in an unsteady world, and how communities of faith might navigate the challenges of our time.

Drawing on her experience as part of President Obama's speechwriting team and her years as

Michelle Obama's chief speechwriter, Sarah brings both intellect and heart to these conversations,

and I think you'll find the second half of our discussion just as inspiring and thought-provoking

as the first. So let's jump back in. Thanks always for listening, and special love to my buddy

Clay, otherwise known as Forrest Clay Clay for the special music you hear at the

beginning and end of the episodes. You can find his music anywhere music is found, and the songs

used are off of his EP called Recovery. So check it out. So without further ado, I give you Sarah

Freakin' Hurwitz.

Tell me what made of things.

So obviously, like right now, you've got some chapters on Israel, anti-Zionism,

which is ironic because I just released on Monday an episode on the history of Zionism.

No way.

It's such great timing.

Yeah.

So obviously there's some problematic historical theology there on the Christian side for sure.

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