Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast where we discuss cutting edge science, the wisdom

of the ages, lessons from pop culture, and our own experiences about how to be happier.

This week is episode 210, and as always, every 10th episode is a very special episode.

This time in honor of spring cleaning and also the publication in less than two weeks of

my book at our order intercom, we're going to talk about clutter busting.

I'm Gretchen Ruben, a writer's studies happiness, good habits, human nature, and outer order.

I'm in New York City and with me is my sister Elizabeth Kraft, who is very patient about

my love of clearing clutter.

That's me Elizabeth Kraft, a TV writer and producer living in LA, and Gretchen, I'm still

grateful for the time you came to my apartment back when I was living alone and helped clear

the clutter that was so great that it was actually had papers in my oven.

Not the papers, I was storing papers in the oven, not a great plan.

Maybe that was part of what inspired you to become such a clutter buster.

No, I think it's when we found the bag of unopened mail that you had moved from your apartment

in New York City to Los Angeles and it had moved twice in Los Angeles and you had never

opened any of that mail.

That I think was what led me down the path.

Congratulations on the book.

Thank you.

Before we jump into the subject of clutter clearing, in episode 205 we talked about the

rituals of completion and we wanted to update listeners about some of the great responses

that we got to this idea of rituals of completion.

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